Your Name:Saleem Khan
Message:I m a chemical engineer by profession, working as
senior operation engineer in a local oil refinery at Karachi
Pakistan for the last 22 years, though in the field of fine arts,
music & singing is my passion and have been appearing in various TV
channels. Late Mr. Nisar Bazmi great music director of Pakistan film
industry was my teacher. Now Mr Taj Multani is my guide in this
field. I m a freethinker, secular, logical, scientific, humanist. I
ve quit religion, concept of a deity & all rituals related to it.
Politically I vote for democracy, justice, equal opportunities for
all humans & rights irrespective of cast, color nationality,
locality, ideology I m against the division of humanity on the basis
of ideologies in majority & minority, existence of countries,
boundaries, visa, passport, different laws, currency, restrictions.
Freedom of religion & freedom from religion is a great slogan for
me. I believe in freedom of thoughts, expression, writing &
ideologies. religions and their essential concepts of a male humanly
deity is the main cause of human distress, illetracy, poverty,
backwardness, and these self created superstitious dogmas have no
importance, value in to days world of science, technology , reason &
justification. Nature and its laws have no religion & no
discrimination on the basi of religions. How can I obtain all books
of Dr. Sohail Khalid.
You richly deserve the interview and it was
extremely interesting. It was also very nice to find Bette Davis
there. The shadows of friends like you are lengthening in my
life. Here i am surrounded by relatives blinded by the excesses of
religion. But my brother-in-law is very learned man with a bent of
mind almost like you and his vision of life and science is so
vast. In a day or two i am meeting with Peter and i will give your
book to him. i will soon come back to you.
Give my utmost regards to Bette Davis.
Dear Bill, I feel honored that a
journalist and writer of your stature liked my book. I am fascinated
with human mind and inspired by human
Story telling is a great art and I am humble student of that art.
One day I would like to learn from you the difference between
journalistic and creative writing.
Meeting Javed Iqbal Mughal was one of the most profound experiences
of my life.
I hope the panel discussion today went (or is going?) well. My
regrets again that I could not attend. Let me know of future
projects of this kind and I will make appropriate plans.
On reading THe Chosen One, I had only two questions that the police
should have investigated:
1) Could a body dissolved as described, within two days. A quick
Internet search shows it can, so that part stands up.
2) Could the accused have handled the acid without coming to harm
himself? That part is open to question: getting just a little on the
skin can ultimately cause significant internal damage. That is one
thread obviously the police did not follow up.
One other query: the whole ugly story (beautifully told!) deals with
both homosexuality and pedophilia (the latter in the most pernicious
form). As you know, pedophilia can be either homosexual or
heterosexual, but in my view anyway (that of a layman) tends to
maladaptation and sickness in either case. There is no doubt which
is involved in this case. I would have loved to have seen a chapter,
however short, clarifying this one issue.
Anyway: my salute to you for this very informative and readable
book. I am astounded by the clarity of your writing, and your
driving curiosity (as I told you: you ARE a journalist!).
The story is one of horror and sickness told with balance, fairness,
and precision. As a writer, I am dazzled by your ability to take
such an inhuman story and present it in a fashion that helps the
reader understand more about human beings in general.
These days, I find I have commitments that dictate what I must read;
that list usually crowds out pretty well everything else. But once I
picked up your book I found, as I said in my email yesterday, hard
to put down. In fact, today I had to finish it to put it down.
I look forward to reading other of your books.
About dissolving in acid: from the Internet:
Legendary British killer, John George Haig!Haigh, a k a "The Acid
Bath Murderer," while in prison on fraud charges came up with the
idea for a series of "perfect murders." He experimented while in
prison with jam jars, field mice and very small quantities of acid
in order to work out how long it would take a body to disappear in
acid. On his release, he then started practicing on human beings.
Haigh dissolved 5 people between 1944 and 1948 -- then stole their
property by forging letters and documents and posing as a relative.
All of the people he killed were his friends, including Mrs.
Durand-Deacon, the 6th and last of his victims. He got her to come
to his "workshop" in Crawley, where he shot her in the head. He
placed her body in a 45-gallon oil drum, went out for a cup of tea
and a poached egg on toast, then returned and filled the drum with
sulfruic acid, left it to stand for 2 days until the body had
disintegrated and swilled out the residue across the yard outside.
When the police searched Haigh's workshop, they found a rubber apron
gas mask and empty carboys of acid. Plus letters and correspondence
and the recently fired revolver.
Haigh finally confesssed. "I've destoryed her with acid. You'll
find the sludge that remains at Leopold Road. Every trace has
gone," he bragged. "How can you charge me with murder when there is
A leading forensic pathologist foraged around in the soil where the
drums of acid had been dumped. He immediately picked up a small
stone. What Haigh didn't realize, the skilled pathologist did:
GALLSTONES don't dissolve quickly in acid.
In the end, 475 pounds of earth were analyzed, which came to 28
pounds of animal fat, part of a foot, two more gall stones, Mrs.
Durand-Deacon's red handbag and Mrs. Durand-Deacon's dentures. (Try
saying THAT 5 times fast.)
For the whole article:
Mohtaram Dr. Khalid sohail Saheb ASA
Last time I met you during the program on Iqbal at tandoori
restaurant in Pickering, I am younger brother of Shakil Khan.
By profession I am an ENT Surgeon, but always felt pleasure to be a
poet. Shakil Bhai, I remember used discuss about you a lot, I have
recently immigrated to Montreal.
You all have concentrated in Toronto and really made it an active
centre for Urdu,, my sincere appreciation to you all.
Montreal I remember in decade of seventies used to be an active
centre but nothing much now.
However I want to remain connected to you all.
Dr. Shamim Azar
Dear Dr Shamim Azar...I
got your email too late because I was passing through
Montreal last week and met another poet Mansoor who lives
close to Montreal. I am forwarding your email to our friends
pervaiz and rafiq of Family of the Heart so that you can be
on our mailing list for future programs...keep in touch...sohail
ps...send me some of your
Hope You are doing Well.I was going through Your website and I found
it a treasure House of Literary Classics.We are publishing a Local
Magazine Gaash (Muzaffarabad,Gilgit,Rawalpindi).If You allow us than
We want to publish some of your articles,
Dear Shams...It is so wonderful that
you are publishing a magazine. You are more than welcome to
publish my articles. Just let me know which article and when are
you publishing and send me a copy of the magazine. thanks...sohail
dear Dr Sohail
well as a matter of fact either of us both do not know each
other but i was jus surfing a link when i went through ur
website. I really appreciate the way u have developed ur
album having the photos of great personalities from URDU
literature. it means how much u r into the business and the
love and care u have for URDU.
I, myself am from Peshawar and do some poetry in
Urdu....also have written a few short stories "AFSANEY".
to me u look very humble and polite from ur pictures and
that is why i would like to keep communicating u regarding
any advice, if it is about literature or otherwise.
i do hope u wud not mind me writing to u in the future.
My dear Dr Sohail,
have read your recent article on Soul & mind. I appreciate your
sincere efforts to eradicate blind faith on this subject. You gave
me permission to translate your former articles in our monthly
namely Vaishvik manav Vad in Gujarati.
Now I request you to allow us to translate your latest said article
of Mind & soul in our monthly as well as to Reprint in English
Monthly The Radical Humanist. It is monthly devoted to Secular
Humanist Values. I am also requesting its editor MRS Rekhaben
Saraswat to send web site of our monthly namely The Radical
promise u as usual when we will publish your articles in RH & Our
Gujarati monthly we will send e-mail copy of it.
Send your web site CHOWK to her.
Bipin, I feel honoured that you would find my articles worthy of
translation in Gujrati. I also want to thank you for your
recommendation to Ms Rekhaben Saraswat to publish my article that
was published in
believe that humanists all over the world need to work together to
decrease human suffering and increase human enlightenment so that we
can create a peaceful world together.
up the good work.
Your article on the third model of secular humanist in reference to
the old-fashioned debate on soul and mind and\or human psyche and
mind and the subsequent conclusions make interesting reading. It
tries to create insight into the rational outlook and time's tested
superstition. Although the debate is not new, it > prepares the
readers to accept the truth, But you must know that in the very
psyche of men and women the grain of fear lurks and he or she
appears to be helpless in the vast expanse of this phenomena.
my congratulation to you and deep regard for your ingenuity and
Grow strong my Alter-ego.
yours, Never empty of your thoughts, zahir anwar.
Thank you for advising me of your latest article. It sounds so very
familiar. Is this an article which you have submitted to another
site in the past.
I tried to set up an account on this site.....to add comments;
however, I am having difficulty doing so. Will keep trying and
eventually you may see my comment on the Web.
In the meantime, I commend you for this article.
And even though I am no longer officially in the 'Helping
Profession', when I was...I certainly had a similar approach to you
and allowed my clients to discuss whatever faith they are
practicing...after all...their belief system is part of who they are
and who they have become.
I found it interesting that some people who have commented on your
article have indicated that they in their professional position try
to counsel their clients away from their religious beliefs.
I can see that this may be appropriate if people were 'brainwashed'
as a result of being in a 'cult'...and suffering from 'post tramatic
Nevertheless what I gather from your article.... whatever clients
bring to the session is what we must accept unconditionally and I
A very wise supervisor once said to me when I shared with her that
my client at the time wasn't making any changes in her attitude
and/or taking action to make changes in her life....she
commented..."It is your need to have her make these changes, Marjie,
she is not ready." Isn't that the truth....
On that note Sohail...nice to hear from you...and keep writing. Your
articles are both inspirational and thought provoking...
Will forward this on to some of my Humanist friends and
Stay well and do keep me informed...
Wishing you harmony & happiness today and always.....
Tomorrow is the festival of light and people
worship Lakshmi the goddess of wealth. We think, she is the goddes
of violence. Now a days most of the people are violent attitudes
because they have endless necessities which are being created and
manicured by market economy. Ironey is this that they are the people
who are talking religion, soul and spirituality. All these are
destroying our earth which is the most beautiful.
Your article Human Psychology - Mind or soul is
an excellent thought provoking piece . Hope, you will be able to
create a new world belief system. we are your fan. We too belong to
the third group of people.
When are you coming to Kolkata?
With lots of Love,
Geetesh & Kusum
Dear Dr. Khalid Sohail,
To day I finished you poetry book titled Samadar our Jazeera (The
Ocean and the Island).Your Ghazals have moved me. I am really
inspired. The simple diction and flow of the verses captivated me. I
did not know you are a great poet. I am sorry for that. It is my
fault. I took you as a scholar. You are a born poet. The poems are
also full of meanings. Your poetry is not the jugglery of words. It
is pure poetry. You write for peace and humanity and that is my
poetic message as well. When I read your other books I will e-mail
you my views. You are great and your poetry is sublime.
With warmest wishes,
Dear Dr. Khalid Sohail,
I have read your views on Soul or Mind. The atheists do not believe
in soul. Philosopher Hume regarded the activity of body as the
activity of mind, not of soul. Such philosophers consider human body
as automation. With the death of mind , the body dies and no memory
or consciousness survives, is the faith of the materialists and the
atheists. The spiritualists believe that soul is a superior and
rarified special creation of God that controls and activates the
brain cells. If some brain cells are damaged they become
ineffective because they leave their function. The religionists
believe that the soul does not die with the death of body. The
Torah, the Bible and the Quran believe in the immortality of Soul.
The Greek philosopher Aristotle considered soul an odor to the
flower which survives even after the decomposition of the petals.
The Quran regards Soul as the "Amr " (Special creation of God). My
book titled " Philosophy of Soul "published in 1974 shed light on
the subject in detail. Matter, Ego, Mind and Soul are different
entities and their functions are altogether different. The Soul is
like petrol in a vehicle. It is energy that moves and mobilizes
human mind and body. When it leaves the body, the body decomposes.
It is a very complicated discussion which can not be summarized in a
post. Hope to provide you my book on the subject.
Here is my interview for Dr. Khalid sohail
published in today's Urdu Times. Dr. Khalid is a psychiatrist, poet
and author of many books.He lives in Canada, Toronto.
(Date 1st October)
Long time no hear! How are you? I have been crazy busy here...
On that note... do you have any articles, poems, or stories that you
wish to submit for Canadian Freethinker magazine? Your article, "The
Psyche of Al-Qaeda" was quite the conversation starter in the last
issue!* If you do not have any new articles, I would be happy to
include one of your poems or stories from your website. The deadline
for submissions for the autumn issue is September 11 and the maximum
word count is 3000. The sections are: Ethics & Philosophy; Arts &
Culture; News & Politics; and Science & Technology. I would love to
have you as a regular columnist... if possible!
Dear Dr. K. Sohail,
After a very long time we received a well
balanced & thought provoking article from the seasoned intellectual
like u. Your analysis is very rational & objective. Another
important thing in your analysis is ,it is constructive & well
by the ground realities of the nation.
Please allow me to translate it in Gujarati
for our monthly namely Vaishvik Manv Vad. I will send a pdf printed
version of your translated article. I am confident that Indian
intellectuals will be provoked in the real sense. Because the
problems of Pakistan are no least difference from those of India
Again accept my sincere congratulation for the
And they want to compare themselves to Dr. Sohail. He would never
make these kind of personal attacks. He is too much of a gentleman.
They are not in the same league, not even close, just wannabees.
Dear Feroz...thank you for your kind and generous comments. They
say....beauty is in the eyes of the beholder..
as a humanist i respect human beings even when i disagree with their
ideas....i suggest to my friends that they try to win hearts rather
than just arguments...
all the best...sohail
Khalid Sohail is that typical scholar who is at same time a beloved
of a few and a pariah to many.
Most of the people hearing his Muslim Pakistani name expect him to
be a conforming Muslim and Pakistani. Whereas he is a declared
humanist and atheist who shuns the biases of structured religion and
As a distinguished Psychiatrist, a prolific writer, and a free
thinking scholar, Khalid Sohail is among those few Pakistani writers
in Diaspora who have the ability to write both in Urdu and English
and convey his convictions.
It is unfortunate that his body of work has remained hidden from the
general literary public, and even in Canada his coterie of admirers
has not done enough to publicize his contributions.
Dr. Khalid Sohail has been a director of the Writers Forum in the
past, and is a member of the Canadian Writers Association, the
mainstream body of Canadian
writers. He is also a patron member of the Harbor front Reading
His most recent book, ‘From Islam to Secular Humanism’, has become a
near best selling book of a Canadian writer of Pakistani origin.
It gives me great pleasure to provide you the link to a body of his
works. I will also include it in the permanent links to the Writers
Forum group. The
The link to the Forum’s link section is:
Thanks and regards. Munir
Ibrahim...Thank you for sharing your concern about Pakistani people
who are suffering because they are caught between Western
imperialism and religious fundamentalism.
exchanging a number of letters I feel that in our philosophies we
have more similarities than differences.
both believe in peace and social justice.
both agree that religion is a private matter and state laws should
not be based on scriptures.
need constitutions in which all citizens, especially women and
minorities have equal rights and privileges.
of the opinion that all those followers of religious, spiritual and
secular traditions can work together who believe in humanistic
values and humanitarian goals.
respect your sincerity, integrity and commitment to your values.
might be following different roads but our goal is the same...to
raise social consciousness and hope that humanity can evolve to the
next stage of evolution. all the best...sohail
Ibrahim...Thank you for your thoughtful letter. Those who grew up in
the Middle East and know Arabic, Yiddish and Hebrew are familiar
with the teachings of Old Testament, New Testament and Quran as part
of Middle Eastern Folklore and Mythology
people who grew up
...in India are
familiar with Buddha's teachings and Indian Mythology
..in China know
teachings of Confucius and Chinese Mythology
have learn teachings of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle and Greek
America learnt about teachings of Black Elk and Chief Seattle and
native Indian Mythology
In your opinion
how do you think teachings of Quranic Mythology compare with the
Mythologies of the other parts of the world?
Do you believe
state laws should be made based on Quran? Do you believe in creating
a theocratic state?
Do you think
you would be a Muslim if you were born in Communist China?
You are right
Sohail! "There are as many truths as many truths as human beings."
In fact I have
said it repeatedly and publicly (even on TV shows and in mosques)
that if it is true that there are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world
today, there must be 1.3 billion Islam’s in the world, too. However,
what is so "striking" about this "truth" is not its profundity, but
rather its banality. It denotes the obvious. On the other hand,
whereas a red rose can be viewed by the "scientist" as a flower with
red leaves, our cultural traditions/beliefs/legends would view it as
a symbol/token of love and passion. There is no contradiction here;
both views are two sides of the same "truth."
This is why
even if one were to accept your "truth" that "scriptures are part of
a folklore," it does not in any way diminish the enduring importance
of these scriptures. After all, our folklore/lore embodies our
collective, albeit distinctive, humanity.
Be that as it
may, and in view of the fact that you'll be participating in the
forum on "Relevance of the Quran in the 21st Century," I sincerely
wish that you would give yourself the chance to read the following
three highly relevant books:
Mattson: THE STORY OF THE QUR'AN : ITS HISTORY AND PLACE IN MUSLIM
LIFE. (Blackwell Publishing, 2008),
Rahman: MAJOR THEMES OF THE QUR'AN. (University of Chicago Press,
3. Charles Le
Gai Eaton: ISLAM AND THE DESTINY OF MAN. (State University of New
York Press, 1985).
Regards & best
Thank you for
sharing your comments. It is obvious that you believe in God,
Prophets, Scriptures and Divine Revelations and consider yourself a
On the other
hand I am a Secular Humanist who does not believe in God, Prophets
and Divine Revelations. For me scriptures are part of folklore. That
does not mean that I do not respect your beliefs and philosophy as
that is YOUR TRUTH which is different than MY TRUTH. I now believe
THERE ARE AS
MANY TRUTHS AS HUMAN BEINGS.
I am sending
you my article about Subjective and Objective Truths. Sincerely,
One of the most
outstanding "virtues" of modern technology is its ability to
compensate for human shortcomings, including loss of memory.
Here are my
"Reflections & Comments" regarding your presentation "From
Fundamentalism to Humanism."
you'll find these reflections and comments interesting and/or
inspiring enough to induce a response.
partially visited your website.
Janaab-e-Mohtaram, I can boast of, without a shadow of flattery,
discovering the most precious gem of facebook (at least till this
Would always be
missing your DarweshoN ka Dera phisically, but, virtually, you will
always find me sitting at the feet of darweshaan-e-derah !
Allah yeh dera
qaayem-o-daayem rakkhay . . .
My Dear Khalid
Nea saal bohat mubarak ho.
Mujhey yaad hey ak baar aap ney zikar kia tha key aap ney aik
article meri short stories per likha tha.UP India ka ak risala
(Tehrek-e-Adab)meri therero per tabsra chap'na cha'ta hey.Kia aap
mujhey apni threer inayeat ferma deyngey(?) takey mey unhey forward
Aaj kal Gam-e-Rozagar mey shid'at sey busy hoo_n.Kuch ersey sey ak
bhi naee kahani ka wajood na hova ...na ja'ney kab tab'eat raghib
hogi (likhney ki taraf)..merey haQ mey duwa kejeye...Sua hey Allaa
Tabarak Tallah Atheist community ki dil sey sunta hey.
Duwao ka talab gar
aap ka bhai...Baland
Friendship subject is great but friendship between male & female of
our society will take time to understand its beauty.
our Eastern sick society do not understand that friendship can be
without having sex.
I had a teacher in USA, she was from Punjab, we use to go to
restaurants a lot and use to share our thoughts while we both were
married. It helped us both.
This happened because she could pull herself from the sickness of
society to a develop society. Believe me it is very rare to see like
The umbrella of wrong explanation of religion should be thrown away
to have a healthy society & culture.
Dr. T. Bhatti
intisar....thanks for your comments. tell me more about yourself and
your philosophy. do you live in ontario canada?
I discovered your writings on "chowk" by accident. I must commend
you and like minded people on your "chutzpah" to make an effort to
articulate the feelings and thoughts of vast majority who have not
be very vocal.
Keep it up.
I am currently writing a paper on sexual double standards and sex
education amongst Muslim youth in India. I found your work on
sexuality written for a predominantly Muslim audience at chowk.com
very informative, and much needed. I will be quoting you in this
current piece of work I am doing. Are there other texts you prefer I
refer to, or shall I just use the information on chowk.com?
Further, if I can briefly pick your brain: Islamic texts support
knowledge and education, and Islam as a religion is interested in
supporting the good health and safety of all Muslims. Thus sex
education is both compatible with Islam, and there is a felt need
for such education in the face of the HIV/AIDS epidemic,
particularly. However as your commentary on chowk.com clearly
recognises, there is an understanding by many Muslims that sex
education is incompatible for ‘Unmarried’ Muslim youth, because zina
is haram. This often results in many youth (especially Muslim girls)
unaware of their own bodies, at risk of STI’s and internalizing
discourses of ‘shame’. How would you, then create an Islamic-based
sex education? How can you ‘sell’ sex education to these
All correspondence will be duly referenced.
Thank you so much for your time,
Kabita Chakraborty, PhD
University of Wollongong
Mike...Thankyou for inviting me to your function. I am sending you
the paper I presented. Feel free to add to your website if you wish.
I will ask pervaiz to add it to my website
I am also sending you the article I wrote this morning. It was
inspired by the program last evening. It is titled
Writers Are Like Mothers
Feel free to share it with Mayor Ryan and Rev Beard. Extend my hello
and thanks fo them.
Dear Dr. Sahib,
Thank you very much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to
accommodate the program last evening. Unfortunately you were to
leave early I wanted to invite you at my place. Malik and his entire
family were here and we were talking about you – they had great
things to say about you. Excellent job - you conducted the program
We were restrained with the time. I wanted to say lot of things
about you especially you are the leader of our pack and a constant
source of inspiration. The work I have done is not my work only it’s
yours too. A man like me who is away from his family members, You
are a constant moral support for me. Thank you for being who you are
I always admire you and respect your contribution. I am planning to
conduct a similar program in Toronto with the mayor of Toronto or
Premier hopefully we will arrange a time where I can speak on a
longer length and do not have to rush. Toronto community needs to
know more about you for who you are.
I actually wanted to send you an email requesting if I can post your
article on the website – you are always ahead of us like Malik
Jahanzeb says “Dr. Sahib is tireless and always ahead of us”. Thank
you forwarding this and I will post it. I will speak with mayor Ryan
and reverend Beard on Monday and will convey hello and will send the
Thank you, Dr. Sahib again for all your support and encouragement.
Dear Dr. Sahib,
I thank you very much for inviting me for lunch yesterday. I had
Attached are the short bios of Mayor Ryan, Professor Basharat Tayyab
and Rev. Kim Beard. Can you kindly send me your bio so that I will
have Rev. Kim Beard introduced you.
While coming through Kingston make a left turn at Glenanna Rd and
left turn at Esplanade (first traffic light). Immediately after
taking the turn you will find the parking lot on your right hand
side. Please park there and the library is across the parking lot.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
I thank you very much for your time and looking forward to seeing
Best regards, Masud Ansari
Dear Dr, Sahib,
The book that I have written is for younger generation, the
individuals who are in their 20-30 and there is a book launch on
November 21, 2008 at 7:00 PM in Pickering central library. The
details for which are attached here in the email.
I wanted to have the conversation with you so that we can bring as
many individuals as we can to make it successful. I have already
arranged the participation of Mayor City of Pickering and other
guests which would be hard to change and rearrange. I would greatly
appreciate if you can work your calendar and can accommodate this
event it’s means a lot to me – then I can speak with other members
of the family of heart. Please let me know.
The website for the book is
I have a link of table of
contents, prologue, and a sample chapter on the web.
Hope my letter
to find you and rest of your family is best of health and welfare.
Let me begin by introducing myself. I am a veterinarian by
profession working with Canadian Food Inspection Agency.I migrated
here about 9 years back from Lahore. I have read almost all of your
articles on CHOWK. I correspond occasionally with Dr.Pervez
Hoodbhoy, Dr.Richard Dawkins and they are kind enough to address my
concern most of the time. Below are few words that i wrote to a
friend few years back, which will give you an idea of my
understanding. It would be very kind of you if you give give me some
insight about how you look at the "argument from design" and "
"cosmological argument ". I am eagerly waiting for your reply.
reason we can apply, argument from analogy is because it has been
observed by us and we can infer based on
previous knowledge or observation that certain artifacts,
like watches or cars are made by humans but its valid only if we
compare similar objects. In case of natural objects we cannot infer
as we do not possess prior knowledge because no one
has ever observed God making natural objects. In order to have an
analogy we need to compare similar objects. So, we need to know or
observe another universe or at least a natural object ( not man
made) being made by God, only then we can infer that our universe
can be also made by God. Morover an analogy can never provide a
primary evidence. At best it only provides a supportive evidence .
good theory is one which explains the required phenomenon and make
future predictions that can be tested. The "God" theory does not
improve our understanding, no predictions are made and on top of
that it cannot be verified. Its like trying to solve a mystery
(universe) by another mystery(God). Then we need to explain "God"
and if we can accept "God" to be without a cause then why not take
the universe to be without a cause and save the pain of adding an
unnecessary element (God) at the beginning. According to Occam's
principal, a more economical theory using fewer components is more
acceptable, which in this case is the theory without God.
Both the statements against and in favour of God are termed
meaningless by logical positivists as there is no method to verify
them, therefore both the claims that "there is a God" and "there is
no God" is equally meaningless. According to physics, all know laws
of physics break down at singularity and there is no way of getting
any information prior to that as no time existed before big bang.
fact of the matter is that humans are incapable to grasp the
ultimate truth and people only use "God" at the end to get sense of
comfort and to avoid any further inquiry. We should be courageous
enough to face the truth and admit the fact that we do not know how
it all began, instead of creating a God which is void of any
explanatory value at all.
Zafar, Thank you for your generous comments. You sound like a
I was a believer I had more answers and less questions and now as a
secular humanist I have more questions and less answers and I feel
comfortable saying 'I do not know". After studying medicine and
practicising psychiatry for 30 years I still do not know
people fall in love
can I say how did this universe came into existence.
me beleving and not beliving is a matter of personal faith and
chowk I had an article
is a metaphor
expresses my feeling.
agree with the statement you have made about your understanding or
lack of it about the universe and its relationship with the concept
and I are on the same page.
days I am studying the
psychology of spiritual encounters
I finish my article I might send it to you if you are interested.
ps...where do you live and how did you get in touch with my
pss...sending you an article about TRUTH you might enjoy
As promised in my earlier E-mail (of August, 8th) , the following
are my comments/reflections on Dr. Khalid Sohail's presentation
entitled : "From Fundamentalism to Humanism." For the sake of
clarity and precision, I'll use a point-by-point format.
(1) At the outset, I would like to thank Dr. Khalid Sohail for his
candid presentation in which he outlined the "Milestones of " his
"Personal and Philosophical Journey," including his intellectual
transformation, together with the underlying factors which
contributed to such a transformation. Furthermore, I would like to
commend him for his work with other groups, be they
religiosly/spiritually oriented or not, for the purpose of
"decreasing domestic violence and increasing human rights."
(2) As a Canadian Muslim who has devoted a considerable part of my
life and energy not only to re-discover the innately humanistic
values of authentic Islam , but also to promote a better
understanding of the Islamic faith and its humanistic values, both
within and without the Canadian Muslim communities, I , like Dr.
Khalid, strongly believe that ""growing together is " far "better
than growing alone."
(3) Be that as it may, I must confess that, after going through
Khalid's presentation, I was deeply troubled, and disappointed, by
some of his assertions and points of view which seem to be based
either on a shallow and superficial understanding (and reading) of
Islam's holy book, namely the Quran, or on inherited and acquired
negative cultural factors pertaining to Pakistan and its tribal,
feudalistic and despotic political state of affairs.
As a case in point, in his "Killing in the Name of God," Khalid,
like many others, be they Muslims or non-Muslims, who are either not
familiar with the true spirit of Islam or, worse still, tend to
judge the Islamic faith on the basis of the abhorrent behavior of
some of its ignorant and/or misguided adherents, lay the blame
squarely at the door of Islam. In this respect, I would like to
point out that the very word Islam means both "submission" and
"peace" - or "being at one with the Divine Will." Furthermore, in
its universal sense, Islam may be said to have three levels of
meaning. All things in the universe, to begin with, are Muslims,
i.e., "surrendered to the Divine Will." (A flower cannot help being
a flower; a diamond cannot do other than sparkle. God has made them
so; it is theirs to obey.) Secondly, all humans who accept with
their will the sacred law of the revelation are Muslims in that they
surrender their will to the law. Finally, we have the level
of pure knowledge and understanding. It is that of the
contemplative, the gnostic ('arif), the level that has been
recognized throughout Islamic history as the highest and most
comprehensive. The gnostic is Muslim in that his/her whole being
is surrendered to God (universal intelligence or Thuka');
he/she has no separate individual existence of his/her own. He/she
is like the birds and the flowers in his/her yielding to the
Creator; like them, like all the other elements of the cosmos,
he/she reflects the Divine Intellect to his/her own degree. He/she
reflects it actively, however, they passively; his/her
participation is a conscious one.
(4) Khalid seems to think that there is a fundamental and
irreconcilable conflict between being a Muslim, i.e., religious, and
"free thinking." Nothing can be further from the truth. Some 750
verses, almost one eighth of the Quran, are devoted to extolling the
virtues of reason. In this respect, the renowned translator and
commentator Thomas Cleary has written, "One aspect of Islam that is
unexpected and yet appealing to the post-Christian secular mind is
the harmonious interplay of faith and reason. Islam does not
demand unreasoned belief. Rather, it invites intelligent faith,
growing from observation, reflection, and contemplation, beginning
with nature and what it is all around us. Accordingly, antagonism
between religion and science such as that familiar to Westerners is
foreign to Islam." [The Qur'an: A New Translation. (Chicago:
Starlatch Press, 2004)]. As a case in point, one of the passages of
the Quran states: "Verily, in the creation of the heavens and
earth, and in the succession of night and day, there are indeed
messages/signs for all who are endowed with insight/reason."
On the other hand, Karen Armstrong, a prolific writer on Islam and
other world religion, has said, "The bedrock message of the Qur'an
is not a doctrine but a simple command that it's right to share your
wealth equally, bad to build up a private fortune selfishly , and
good to try to create a just and decent society where poor
and vulnerable people are treated with dignity and respect. That is
the bedrock message of the Qur'an, and this is surely what we mean
when we talk about decent society and our aspirations in the West."
[ See her book, Muhammad: A Prophet for Our Time. (Atlas
Books. HarperCollins Publishers, 2006)]. The enduring Islamic
civilization, with its magnificent achievements in virtually all
fields of human sciences, was not built on fear, but rather on free
and rational thinking. It is unfortunate and lamentable that
Khalid's "teachers of science had little interest or in depth
knowledge of religion and scriptures, and the religious leaders" he
knew "had no sound knowledge or understanding of the fundamentals of
science." [ See Science and Civilization in Islam, by the
renowned American Muslim scholar Seyyed Hossein Nasr].
(5) It might come as a surprise to many people, including Muslims of
course, to know that in its essence, Islam is essentially a secular
religion, in the sense that it is not only against coercion when it
comes to matters of faith but also a religion of the natural
Fitra, or the natural state. There is absolutely no
contradiction between leading a "humanistic lifestyle," and being a
Muslim. On the contrary, the fundamental ethical and moral values of
Islam , namely Tawheed (or the unity of God and therefore the
unity and equality of humanity), Adl (or Justice i.e.,
pursuing justice through social cooperation and mutual assistance),
Ilm (or Knowledge; the first revealed word in the Quran is
Iqra' or Read), and Khilafa (or human trusteeship and
accountability), all aim at leading a perfectly balanced and
humanistic way of life. Within this context, it is unfortunate,
indeed tragic, that by way of showing the presumed incompatibility
of Islam and democracy, some Muslims and non-Muslims alike tend to
argue that whereas democratic governments derive their legitimacy
from the will of the people and rest legality on their consent, in
Islam, the laws derive their legitimacy from Divine Will. The
contrast appears striking. But the apparent contradiction can be
resolved by pointing out that popular sovereignty- with its idea
that citizens have rights and correlative responsibility to pursue
justice with mercy - expresses God's authority, properly understood.
(6) It is indeed tragic that in his "Studying Quran Seriously"
phase, Khalid's encounter with the Quran was not only "typical" of
Westerners' initial encounter with Islam's holy scripture, but also
reflects the naive and superficial approach to the Quran that so
many Muslims undertake. Contrary to his assertion, there was
little, if anything, "serious" about his "studying" of the Quran. In
this respect, it is important to point out that famous Quran (and
Hadith or Prophetic sayings and traditions) commentators
throughout Islamic history have taken in their primary approach to
Qur'anic interpretations the form of : (a) grammarians, such as
al-Wahidi, d. 1076; (b) literalists, such as Ibn-Kathir, d. 1273;
(c) philosophers, such as al-Razi, d. 1240; (d) jurists, such as
al-Qurtubi, d. 1273; (e) mystics, such as Ibn-Arabi, d. 1240; (f)
socio-political revolutionists, such as Mawdudi, d. 1979; (g)
rationalists, such as Muhammad Asad, d. 1992; and (h) Islamic
feminists, such as Laleh Bakhtiar, in her recent (2007) translation
entitled The Sublime Quran. These paradigms of interpretive
thought have also produced many different ways of thinking about the
Quran (and Sunnah) in the general Muslim population of the
world. In this respect, differences in opinion can emerge based on:
(1) the linguistic study of words within a text and the multiple
meanings that can be derived; (2) different understandings of the
historical context of the text, asbab al-nuzul; (3) various
interpretations on whether a text has specific or general
applicability; (4) diverse understandings of the general philosophy
of Islamic sciences; and so on. On top of that, every scholar's
thoughts and opinions are shaped - whether consciously or
subconsciously - by a host of external influences ranging from
cultural upbringing to sociopolitical conditions. Khalid's "serious
studying" of the Quran does not seem to take any of these aspects
into account. Indeed, his knowledge of the Quran seems to be quite
(7) Just as there is no single Muslim experience with the Quran,
there is no single Western experience of Islam's sacred book. Islam
is one of the fastest growing, if not the fastest growing religion
in Europe and North America due to migration, birth, and conversion.
For many converts (or reverts), experiencing the Quran was what they
found most appealing about Islam. For some non-Muslims, too, there
is great admiration for the Quran, both its beautiful language and
its teachings (For this purpose, see professor Jeffrey Lang's two
engaging books: Even Angels Ask: A Journey to Islam in America,
and Struggling to Surrender). Within this context, many
Muslims believe that the beautifully flowing Arabic of the Quran can
never really be accurately translated into another language for two
First, translation causes a break in the rhyme, rhythm, and
form of the Quran that is so brilliantly consistent in its original
Arabic even when it speaks of dense subjects like divorce laws or
exhilarating themes like the beautiful names of God. The Western
reader of the translated Quran misses out on the whole aura of the
Second, the Quran is untranslatable because of the richness
of the Arabic language in which each word is pregnant with so many
meanings that it would take a paragraph to genuinely and accurately
translate many of the key terms found in the scripture. Arabic, like
Hebrew, is made up of trilateral root letters that impregnate other
letters to form a word. Therefore, to fully understand the etymology
of any word, it is necessary to examine its trilateral root. For
example, the Arabic word IMAN is usually translated into
English simply as "belief." But when we examine the trilateral root
- AMN -we find several layers of meaning: "to trust," "to be
secure," "to be in safety," "to confine in," "to pledge,"
"covenant," "faith," and "belief" ; it denotes faith and trust in
God and a pledge and covenant to live accordingly. Similarly, when
we look at the word opposite IMAN, namely, KUFR, we
see this word usually translated as "disbelief," or "unbelief." But,
again, when we examine its trilateral root - KFR - we see a
host of meanings emerge: "to cover," "to deny," "to hide," "to
renounce," "to reject," "to be ungrateful," "negligent," "one who
covers the sown seed with earth," "one who conceals the benefits or
favor conferred upon him," and "impious." The simple translation of
"disbelief" or "unbelief," is inadequate in light of these deeper
meanings. Kufr is denying and rejecting faith with
ingratitude toward God and negligence toward the duties conferred by
God, such as telling the truth. The problem with translation is that
the vastness and depth of the original Arabic language is lost when
it is replaced by words that do not carry the same profundity or
depth and may even impart meanings that are alien to the Quranic
worldview (such as the terms "infidel," "holy war," and others that
are used in English but do not appear anywhere in the Quranic
(8) Unfortunately, nowhere in Khalid's presentation is there any
reference to some of the finest books about Islam and/or the Quran
written by scholars of Pakistani origin, such as the late Mohammad
Iqbal's The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam, or
the late Fazlur Rahman's numerous books, including Major Themes
of the Qur'an; Islam and Modernity: Transformation of an
Intellectual Tradition; and Islam, or professor Asma
Barlas's engaging book "Believing Women" in Islam: Unreading
Patriarchal Interpretations of the Qur'an (University of Texas
Press, 2004). For this reason, among others, I would strongly
recommend the following the following books :
1. The Vision of Islam. By: Sachiko Murata and William
2. Ethico-Religious Concepts in the Qur'an . By: Toshihiko
3. The Heart of Islam: Enduring Values for Humanity. By:
Seyyed Hossein Nasr;
4. The Spirit of Islam. By: Ameer Ali; and
5. Islam and the Destiny of Man. By: Charles Le Gai Eaton.
Additionally, the following three English translations of the Quran
are highly commendable, namely:
1. Muhammad Asad: The Message of the Qur'an;
2. Laleh Bakhtiar: The Sublime Quran; and
3. Abdullah Yusuf Ali: The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an.
Finally, I do hope, and pray, that my comments on and reflections
about Dr. Khalid Sohail's presentation would prove to be useful and
informative. I would love to receive his views and reaction.
Wishing you and yours RAMADAN MUBARAK,
Hi Dr. Sohail,
I am forwarding to you my reflections and comments pertaining to
your presentation entitled "From Fundamentalism to Humanism." ...And
as indicated at the end of these reflections, I would love to your
views and reaction.
Mr Ibrahim Hayani,
you very much for your thoughtful comments/reflections on my
presentation. I have great respect for you. In my
presentation I was just sharing milestones of my personal and
philosophical journey. I would have no problem working with you on
any project to serve our community as I said in my presentation I
respect all those followers of religious, spiritual and secular
traditions that respect humanity and want to decrease human
suffering. I think you and I are against all those militant
fundamentalists whether religious, spiritual or secular who are
hurting humanity and killing innocent human beings. In my opinion
behaviours reflect more than beliefs. I have come to the realization
that there are as many truths as human beings and as many realities
as pairs of eyes in the world. I believe we all have the right to
share our truth without fear of persecution. Recently I have written
Muslim Psyche after September 11, 2001
I am sending you. I will request our dear friend Pervez Salahuddin
to add your letter and my new article on our website for others to
read. I smiled when I read that in your opinion my knowledge is very
'shallow'. You are a professor and a scholar , I am just a humble
student. I think our philosophies have more similarities than
differences. You want to break the wall of fundamentalism from
inside while I am doing it from outside.
the best...sincerely, khalid sohail
was a real pleasure meeting you the other day. I read your book
"From Islam to Secular Humanism" years ago and since then I had been
thinking of contacting you. I went through a fairly similar process
in my thought development about religion in general and Islam in
particular. By the age of 15 I had almost decided based on rational
thought that the whole concept can't be true. However, fear kept me
around the concept for some more years. I read several books about
Islam and religion including Maudoudi's translation/explanation of
Quran. The more I read the closer I moved toward reality ie,
sirat-e-mustaqeem (ie secular humanism)! Well we will discuss this
sometime. I definitely look forward to meeting you again in the near
future. Please do give me a copy of the video of your speech the
other day at the InterContinental.
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KCI Medical Canada, Inc.
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Thank you for sharing this presentation by Dr. Khalid Sohail in
which he reflected on his own personal life, including his "leap of
faith," from "Fundamentalism to Humanism." Candid as it may seem,
virtually every single paragraph of the presentation induces
reaction and calls for a response. In this respect, once I am
finished with my immediate academic duties, namely, submitting the
final grades for my Summer courses at Ryerson University, I would
like to share with you (and Brother Khalid of course) my views and
reactions regarding the underpinnings/rationales of his apparent
conversion from the seemingly irrational and unscientific Islam
(i.e., Fundamentalism) to the deceptively rational and scientific
For the time being, and after going through the presentation fairly
quickly, all I can say is this: In its entirety, this so-called
transformation from Fundamentalism to Humanism is but a perfect
manifestation of the sad state of affairs of our beloved Pakistan
today (and for that matter Saudi Arabia, too). The real tragedy
stems from the fact that Pakistan, the very idea of which was
presumably founded on the ideals of Islam (including freedom,
justice, knowledge, and tolerance), but whose deeply-rooted tribal
traditions, combined with the unholy alliance between an
oppressive feudal economic and social structure, corrupt military
dictatorships, and a superficially "modernized" ruling elite whose
members (like those of Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia, to name but a
few former colonies) seem to have far greater affinity to the
colonial "homeland," be it Britain or France, than to their own
people, has "managed" not only to keep the vast majority of the
noble people of Pakistan poor and illiterate, but to even corrupt
Unfortunately, indeed tragically, brother Sohail, like Irshad Manji
before him (who incidentally changed the title of the second
edition of her book The Trouble With Islam to The Trouble
With Islam Today), decided to dump their own personal
troubles at the doors of Islam. This is the approach normally taken
by the defeatists and/or the quick-fame-seekers in the post
September 11 world.
It was the late M. Iqbal who said that "The Qur'an is an open
text and every generation of Muslims has the right to interpret
it." Brother Sohail, a doctor, seems to advocate "closure," or,
when in doubt, "throwing the baby with the bathtub."
Till we meet again,
Thanks alot for the promt reply of my e-mail
via our esteemed friend Quasimbhai. I will translate it in Gujarati
Monthly. The name of the monthly is Viashvik Manav Vad(Universal
Humanism). I am its editor. We print 1500 copies & we have 200
e-mails ids.From sept-08-A friend in Texas has 5000 ids & he loves
our monthly & share our thoughts. He has promised to send to all his
men. I am sending u the latest Issue of Vaishvik Manav vad . I am
also sending u reports of the Indian Humanist conference recently
organised by my friends in Gujarat. I will also share Humanist
thoughts of Indian friends with u also. I will keep live contacts
with u. Please inform me whether u understand Gujarati Language or
Qassim and Bipin bhai....I am so pleased that you liked my article
and feel honoured that you would like to translate it in Gujrati and
shre it with Humanist friends of India.
trying to light the candle of humanism in the dark night of
religious fundamentalism and blind faith hoping that one day there
would be secular and humanist communities all over the world. You
can read more on my website
Please send me a copy when you translate and we would put it on our
website. Stay in touch.
Dr. Sohail Ji,
A.O.A. I just finished reading your fine article on APNAORG.com. I
have enjoyed it tremendously and appreciated its candidness.
However, It reminded me of a litlle exhange that I read somewhere
long time ago that supposedly took placed between Dr. Allama Iqbal
and Nobel Laureate Robindernath Tegor. I would like to share that
woth you if you don't mind.
When Allama Iqbal found out that Mr. Tegor did not recognized him as
poet becuase he did not write poetry in his mother tongue. He
decided to write a letter to Mr. Tegore. "My mother tongue is not
fully developed that is why I write in Urdu amd Persian and not in
Punjabi", Allama wrote to Mr. Tegor. "My mother-tongue is not fully
developed either but I am helping it to fully develop by writing in
it", Mr Tegor wrote back to Allama. I pray and hope that the day
would come when all of us would work on ways to enhance and further
I too am like rest of the Pakistani Punjabi who were taught in Urdu
and English but later fell in love with vastness and sheer beauty of
Punjabi. I too am thankful to people like Rammah Ji who have taken
this huge task on their shoulders to bring all Pakistani Punjabis
back to their rich heritage.
Alam Sher, PharmD, MBA
Dil Mere Te Zakham HazaraN TaaN MeiN Marham KehRey Te LawaN
Baaj Sajjan Kedi Mitt NaiN Sakdey PaweiN LakkhaN Veid BulawaN
How r u doin ? let me introduce myself first
(even though i could not introduce myself to me yet anyways i am on
my way ) my name s Aazar Aneel Bhatti , God decided to descend me in
Pakistan and now a days for last six years i am living in Toronto ,i
am in film productions, my field s Direction ,i started my career as
a model and actor and after than i got to know that its not for me
and i came in direction i work with different directors to learn
something and now i am on my way ,i have directed couple of pojects
and now a days we r working on some scripts .
i visited ur site after reading ur interview in a news paper ,and
for last couple of days i have spent a lot of time with u by ur
creations and i got addicted to it ,after long time i got impressed
by some one in this way ,u r amazing person, and specially the
courage and way to express ur feelings on these different
unconventional topics, is admirable ,i am a script writer too ,i am
in strugling period ,i have just set out my journey ,but people in
this field they cant understand my thoughts , my ideas bcoz they
cant dijest it, when i read u i got to know i am not alone in this
city ,it is my misfortune thats i got to know u that late , but its
true better late than ever .
Mr. Sohail i would
love to meet u in person and i ll feel so blessed. i live
in Brampton not far from u ,when ever u have time plz call me or
mail me i would love to come to ur doorstep to get this honor ,or if
u come here by any chance plz dont forget to call me my contact
information is listed below ,anxiously waiting for reply .
Thanks Dr Sahib
sachay Artist ke itni hi mohabat or qadar honi chahiye jitni app
main ha, App ne mujay or maray kaam ku admire kia app ka shukriya .
App sa art ke hawaly sa bohat kuch share karna ha, Dr sahib app ka
dost bohat talented ha , app ku mara baqi kaam dekh kar kushi hu
ghi, bohat diffrent style or diffrent way ha maray kaam karnay ka.
InshaAllah jaldi app sa mulaqat hu ghi. App likhtay rahiye ga , app
wu kuch likh rahay hain ju ajj kal bohat kum loug likhtay hain, app
ka style app ka andaz sub sa niral ha.Iss liye tu Janab sa hum dosti
ka haat baraya ha.
for borring , but that,s the way i am .
tariq.....art is a gift that nature gives us to be shared with
Subject: Dr. KHALID's artical "GANDHI - HIS DILEMMAS & DREAMS".
Yesterday I read your artical the "GANDHI - HIS DILEMMAS AND DREAMS"
and was preparing to rejoice - than I read the review on your
artical by Zia Uddin Ahmed. I must admit that for a long time, I
have never read anything on Gandhi like your article, with so much
interest and pleasure, as I read this. I have the same feeling for
the very honest review by Zia Sahib. Combining the both i.e. your
article and the review I must say that both of you have expressed
your opinion on this subject in such a different way which no one
have adopted optic now.
I am not a competent judge, but one opinion I must express here and
that is: among others Gandhi's "no to sex" and "no to
meat" was a sin on his conscience and his movement of "no
violence" died infront of his own eyes in 1947 before the
"prophet of peace" himself was killed at the hands of his own
people. I agree that " He did not realize that religion and
politics are a dangerous combination." and the Mahatama
did not know what a poet could tell him. I have the same
observation as of Zia uddin Ahmed, that your artical is over all a
hint for the reader to look at the personalities like Gandhi besides
the biographical. Before closing I would like to mention that there
is, yet a great scope to work on this subject and to further
develope it. I hope you will continue it - May be slowly but Surely.
I take this opportunity to send you and Zia uddinn Ahmed Sahib
best greetings and my warmest regards.
18th May 03.
myn un logon main sy hoon jo 15 din ya 1 mah baad mazahir sb sy
milty hain .un ke kahy pe aap ki web site dekhi aor humkhayal logon
main aik ka izafa ker lia.
baqi batyn hoti rahen gi
khobaib..what a wonderful surprise from karachi, a city i was born
in but never lived there. i have a lot of respect and regard for
mazahir sahib. he is one of the most honest human beings and
scholars i have met. i went to south africa to meet him. did you
read his interview on my website in the section of DARVESHON KA
DERA. extend my thanks to him for introducing you to me....all the
will also forward this email to his daughter zahra who is a bridge
between me and mazahir sahib
aya na Maza , thanks for inviting me , ye ha dostoon wali baat , jub
bi Toronto aya pehla kaam app key darshan hain. Abi tu app ke saath
art ki dunyan ka bohat kuch share karna , ha Thanks God app jasa
creative insan ju ke mara ideal writer ha mujay doostoon ki tarah
mila thanks for every thing.
tariq...i will look forward to your visit so that we can have a
heart to heart talk about life and art....art is long time is
Feel a bit like a spectator @ a sporting match!
Anne, Sohail + I worked together a lifetime ago, may I know how
Sohail, Abrar + Rafi r connected?
And Zahar, 4 Sultans + Rafiq....have we heard from u yet? Or r these
duplicate email addresses.
Sohail, ur ode to Bette is lovely. May I know if its ur custom to
address people by their full names? I would say I love Bette, where
u say u love Bette Davis.
Btw, hope my response to Sohail's first article about love did not
Sohail was part of an organization called "Family of the heart"
(FOTH) and so was my cousin Parvez. Parvez used to send me the links
to the debates on the FOTH website and for some time, I remained a
silent and distant spectator. And then FOTH held a seminar titled,
"Religion and Darwin's theory of evolution". Sohail was one of the
speakers along three others representing three Abrahamic religions.
Sohail, true to his element, talked about Darwin's life and the
other three speakers talked about .... well I don't know what they
talked about except how their respective religion was so good and
Darwin had it all wrong. When I read the transcripts of the talks, I
saw that there was everything in that seminar BUT the theory of
evolution. I'm no expert in the theory of evolution but I know a few
things. So, I decided to break my silence and decided that these
people were going to hear from me. :) And hear they did. :)
That was my first direct contact with Sohail but it got firmed up
after FOTH had a seminar titled, "Can We Say Goodbye to God?". I
would love if Sohail could describe that episode if he wants to. In
fact, I would request him to.
buddies...two more creations....and now my creative wave has
switched to urdu...so no more creations for a while in English and
you can rest...i started reading the autobiography of saqi
farooqi...and want to write a review on his biography...he calls it
autobiography of a sinner...in Urdu...affectionately sohail
you very much to give me this honour, and also thanks for a visiting
my songs, I am realy greatfull to you to adding me in to your
friends circle , I don,t have words to say thanks to you . I would
like to add, that i got Bolan award 2007 for the best National song
video every shoot in Pakistan. The good thing in this video, is we
use Safari Train from Your home city Peshawar to landicoutil.
recently finished my full music Album, i will share every thing with
you when i got the chance to meet you.
ki liye dua ha ke app iss tarah likhtay rahien , kia andaz or app ki
kia great vision ha.
ka aiek shir maray liye Mashal-e-e rah ha
tujay daar tuk ley jain gay
main khawab salamat rakhana
thanks for every thing
number in ottawa is; 613 276 0786
thanks your fan
Bobby (folk and Pop singer)
Tariq...thank you for visiting my website and enjoying my creations.
I visited google and listened to your song. Congratulations. You are
a talented artist. When you create something new please share
it with me. My friend pervaiz updates my website. I will ask him to
add your letter to the new section of LETTERS. In that case people
visitng my website can connect with you and you will be in the
circle of my creative friends.. all the best...sohail
Dr Sohail Sahib
Tariq Bobby from Ottawa, Dr sahib ajj app ki web site ku visit kia
or app poetry sa la kar app ki Books tuk Rasai hui. Kia baat ha app
ke Kalum ki app ki soch app ka andaz pasand aya, tu phir raha na gia
or app ku email kar raha hoon. Fun ki dunyan main aiek choota sa
sitara hoon, app jasay loogoon ka fan hoon, Or app jasay azeem
loogan say seekhta hoon. Mujay Umeed ha ka app aiek chootay fankar
ku apni mahfil main bethnay ki jaga zaroor dein gay.
ki dunyan main app ka nia dost
App google site par ja kar Tariq bobby type karien gay tu app maray
kuch song video dekh sacktay hain , ya google video main mara naam
dal kar app mari kuch kaan dekh sacktay hain